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May 24, 2008

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Nizam Bashir

Interesting write up Lenny. And as for the "surprising op-ed piece in the Egyptian press calling on Palestinians to forgive Israel as key to moving forward" - hits the nail on the head doesn't it? :)

lennybruce

Hi Nizam,

Thnks for reading and for your comment. I agree with you, that forgiveness will eventually be necessary to really move forward and make the painful compromises that are inevitable if there is to be a solution. I do believe each side will need to offer forgiveness to the other since both have deeply wronged the other. And I hope that won't first involve decades of violence because one side won't do it until its demands are met that the other side do it first. Of course, that would be totally typical of how both sides have dealt with things till now.

I hope all is well with you and your's and that the steeply rising fuel prices (and food) won't be causing too much hardship and havoc there.

Peace, salaam, shalom

Nizam Bashir

Peace, salaam and shalom to you too Lenny,

Forgiveness is definitely the way forward. In fact, if we look back at recent history, the Holocaust stands out as a black mark in human history.

But I remember this particular episode on Oprah where two women - Monika Hertwig (Amon Goeth's daughter) and Helen Jonas-Rosenzweig were filmed revisiting the Plaszow concentration camp. Along the course of being interviewed by Oprah, Helen said this:

"I must say that forgiveness is mostly a gift to myself in order to be able to live some quality of life and in honor of my parents and all the innocent people that perished so tragically."

I can only commend her for her positive outlook despite the horrific experience she must have had to endure.

Nevertheless, something else occurred to me as I was pondering over your post last night.

The other dimension to forgiveness is the fact that any victim will be looking for a recognition, at the very least, that a wrong has been perpetrated on them. I suppose this is where things begin to unravel a little.

But if forgiveness is kept in view as the principal goal, whatever recognition that is sought should be given. After all, there are victims on both sides of the divide.

lennybruce

Hi Nizam,

I am 100% with you on your point about recognition. I am actually pretty convinced that if Israel had recognized many years ago that her establishment did entail suffering and obviously played a part in creating the refugee problem that the peace process would have looked differently. I recently read (unfortunately can't find the reference) that one of the reasons for the failing of the Camp David talks with Arafat and Clinton was Israel's refusal to recognize any responsibility in the Pal refugee problem. The reason given by this insider was Israel's fear of reparations claims, which is obviously ironic since the modern day model of reparations was established by the agreements between Israel, international Jewish organizations and Germany. And that brings me to what you relate in your post from Oprah's show. If that woman is capable of forgiveness than we need to look very deep as human beings when we find it difficult to forgive.

Best wishes Nizam.

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